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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply. You solidified my decision to go with 100% organic cotton fleece and stuffing.  I believe in the Precautionary Principle especially when it comes to children&#039;s products. I have worked with plastics for most of my career and agree with you that we are still on the precipice of learning the full outcome of living with them.
I think my best bet for my supply chain would be to partner with a clothing manufacturer that uses organic fleece and hopefully use their waste stream scraps. If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate them immensely.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply. You solidified my decision to go with 100% organic cotton fleece and stuffing.  I believe in the Precautionary Principle especially when it comes to children&#8217;s products. I have worked with plastics for most of my career and agree with you that we are still on the precipice of learning the full outcome of living with them.<br />
I think my best bet for my supply chain would be to partner with a clothing manufacturer that uses organic fleece and hopefully use their waste stream scraps. If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate them immensely.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: oecotextiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>oecotextiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan:  I know exactly what you&#039;re going through in trying to find a good source for your stuffed toys:  the polyester is really cheap, right, and the organic cotton puts the price out of the ballpark?  You&#039;re worried that people won&#039;t buy the toys if the price is too high?

You&#039;re right that rPET would contain antimony (85% of all virgin polyester is made using antimony as a catalyst), but I think most of the research finds that antimony&#039;s not a danger if it  is in a fabric, because the molecules are bound together chemically – it doesn’t become a free agent.  So the thinking is that the toxic element is there, it&#039;s just not available to be ingested - the baby sleeping with the toy would not be harmed by the antimony in that toy &lt;strong&gt;at that moment &lt;/strong&gt;  But think about the long term effect of using this plastic:  it will not degrade  - it will just break down into smaller and smaller pieces, some of which will find their way into our food chain.)  There is a real danger to our environment, thru the release of the excess antimony in the mill effluent and again as antimony trioxide – which happens whenever the polymers are heated (as in polyester recycling, or during end of life burning at landfills).  Another source of pollution is in the mill sludge, which can contain very high levels of antimony.  So also think about the kind of world we want to leave this peacefully sleeping baby.

And especially because you&#039;re producing a product that will be used by young children we think it&#039;s important to think about the effect that antimony just &lt;strong&gt;might&lt;/strong&gt; have on children.  The literature is full of chemicals that the government and others told us were safe, only to be told further down the line that they weren’t. Look at lead: in 1971, the U.S. Surgeon General said that 60 mg of lead in a deciliter of blood was a safe level. In 1985 they reduced that to 25 mg, then in 1991 it was reduced to 10 mg and now we know that any detectable level of lead will shave off IQ points. Antimony causes cancer in mice and they know that exposure is cumulative- do you want it in your home, even if it IS bound in the polymer?  And what if they’re wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan:  I know exactly what you&#8217;re going through in trying to find a good source for your stuffed toys:  the polyester is really cheap, right, and the organic cotton puts the price out of the ballpark?  You&#8217;re worried that people won&#8217;t buy the toys if the price is too high?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that rPET would contain antimony (85% of all virgin polyester is made using antimony as a catalyst), but I think most of the research finds that antimony&#8217;s not a danger if it  is in a fabric, because the molecules are bound together chemically – it doesn’t become a free agent.  So the thinking is that the toxic element is there, it&#8217;s just not available to be ingested &#8211; the baby sleeping with the toy would not be harmed by the antimony in that toy <strong>at that moment </strong>  But think about the long term effect of using this plastic:  it will not degrade  &#8211; it will just break down into smaller and smaller pieces, some of which will find their way into our food chain.)  There is a real danger to our environment, thru the release of the excess antimony in the mill effluent and again as antimony trioxide – which happens whenever the polymers are heated (as in polyester recycling, or during end of life burning at landfills).  Another source of pollution is in the mill sludge, which can contain very high levels of antimony.  So also think about the kind of world we want to leave this peacefully sleeping baby.</p>
<p>And especially because you&#8217;re producing a product that will be used by young children we think it&#8217;s important to think about the effect that antimony just <strong>might</strong> have on children.  The literature is full of chemicals that the government and others told us were safe, only to be told further down the line that they weren’t. Look at lead: in 1971, the U.S. Surgeon General said that 60 mg of lead in a deciliter of blood was a safe level. In 1985 they reduced that to 25 mg, then in 1991 it was reduced to 10 mg and now we know that any detectable level of lead will shave off IQ points. Antimony causes cancer in mice and they know that exposure is cumulative- do you want it in your home, even if it IS bound in the polymer?  And what if they’re wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://oecotextiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/why-is-recycled-polyester-considered-a-sustainable-textile/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!!

I&#039;m working on a line of children&#039;s stuffed toys and was considering using a fleece made from recycled plastic (similar to Patagonia) or an organic cotton fleece.

rPET fleece is extremely flammable and I don&#039;t want to add a fire retardant. I am also concerned a baby sleeping with a rPET fleece toy might be at risk for absorbing antimony. Do you think that is a possibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a line of children&#8217;s stuffed toys and was considering using a fleece made from recycled plastic (similar to Patagonia) or an organic cotton fleece.</p>
<p>rPET fleece is extremely flammable and I don&#8217;t want to add a fire retardant. I am also concerned a baby sleeping with a rPET fleece toy might be at risk for absorbing antimony. Do you think that is a possibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your prompt response and let me express my support for your work, you&#039;re doing an excellent work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your prompt response and let me express my support for your work, you&#8217;re doing an excellent work.</p>
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		<title>By: oecotextiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>oecotextiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Milan:  You know, just today I heard a great line:  &quot;Don&#039;t expect to buy green products from brown companies&quot;.  That means that there are lots of companies jumping on the bandwagon - maybe they&#039;ll add a couple of green products, or if they&#039;re a fabric distributor with 60,000 skus  they&#039;ll introduce their new &quot;green&quot; collection of 48 skus.  What percent of 60,000 is 48? (I actually used an online percentage calculator and got an answer that was so low as to be NA!).  Do you think that company is seriously trying to make a difference?  Well, Patagonia is NOT one of those brown companies.  I&#039;ve been impressed by Patagonia&#039;s committment to our environment and the many steps they have taken for so long - in terms of research, new trials, new products, the whole works.  There is a web site which gives an update on their Common Threads program (the recycling of garments) where you can read about some of the issues they&#039;re grappeling with (http://www.thecleanestline.com/2009/03/closing-the-loop-a-report-on-patagonias-common-threads-garment-recycling-program.html).  And though there are some unresolved issues about recycling polyester - and using plastics - I would support Patagonia because their heart&#039;s in the right place and I trust them.   And I would never think they&#039;d sell a fabric for their jackets that has not been thoroughly tested.  After all, they need to remain a vigorous company to fight the good fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Milan:  You know, just today I heard a great line:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t expect to buy green products from brown companies&#8221;.  That means that there are lots of companies jumping on the bandwagon &#8211; maybe they&#8217;ll add a couple of green products, or if they&#8217;re a fabric distributor with 60,000 skus  they&#8217;ll introduce their new &#8220;green&#8221; collection of 48 skus.  What percent of 60,000 is 48? (I actually used an online percentage calculator and got an answer that was so low as to be NA!).  Do you think that company is seriously trying to make a difference?  Well, Patagonia is NOT one of those brown companies.  I&#8217;ve been impressed by Patagonia&#8217;s committment to our environment and the many steps they have taken for so long &#8211; in terms of research, new trials, new products, the whole works.  There is a web site which gives an update on their Common Threads program (the recycling of garments) where you can read about some of the issues they&#8217;re grappeling with (<a href="http://www.thecleanestline.com/2009/03/closing-the-loop-a-report-on-patagonias-common-threads-garment-recycling-program.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecleanestline.com/2009/03/closing-the-loop-a-report-on-patagonias-common-threads-garment-recycling-program.html</a>).  And though there are some unresolved issues about recycling polyester &#8211; and using plastics &#8211; I would support Patagonia because their heart&#8217;s in the right place and I trust them.   And I would never think they&#8217;d sell a fabric for their jackets that has not been thoroughly tested.  After all, they need to remain a vigorous company to fight the good fight!</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if I&#039;m bringing old topics back to life, but I have a question and I&#039;m hoping you can help me with my dilemma. I&#039;m looking for a skiing jacket and Patagonia is making great ones out of recycled polyester. Is it a smart thing to buy? If we suppose that they are using mechanical recycling method does that mean that the jackets they make have weaker fabric?
Thanks in advance,
Milan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I&#8217;m bringing old topics back to life, but I have a question and I&#8217;m hoping you can help me with my dilemma. I&#8217;m looking for a skiing jacket and Patagonia is making great ones out of recycled polyester. Is it a smart thing to buy? If we suppose that they are using mechanical recycling method does that mean that the jackets they make have weaker fabric?<br />
Thanks in advance,<br />
Milan</p>
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		<title>By: oecotextiles</title>
		<link>http://oecotextiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/why-is-recycled-polyester-considered-a-sustainable-textile/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>oecotextiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of the research shows that it&#039;s not a danger if antimony is in a fabric on our sofas, because the molecules are bound together chemically - it doesn&#039;t become a free agent, as it were.  The real danger is to our environment,  thru release of the excess antimony in the mill effluent and again as antimony trioxide - which happens whenever the polymers are heated (as in polyester recycling, or during end of life burning at landfills).  Another consideration that we think if worth noting:  the literature is full of chemicals that the government and others told us were safe, only to be told further down the line that they weren&#039;t.  Look at lead: in 1971, the U.S. Surgeon General said that 60 mg of lead in a deciliter of blood was a safe level.  In 1985 they reduced that to 25 mg, then in 1991 it was reduced to 10 mg and now we know that any detectable level of lead will shave off IQ points.  Antimony causes cancer in mice and they know that exposure is cumulative- do you want it in your home, even if it IS bound in the polymer?  What if they&#039;re wrong?

It&#039;s hard to give a specific weight for a hemp fabric that would be durable - if it looks to you like a sturdy fabric and it has a certain heft, then you should be good to go.  If the fabric looks flimsy, or you can see thru it - then probably not.

Hemp has been given a bad rap because it IS a difficult fiber to work with.  It can also be very coarse and scratchy, as you say.  It takes an extra effort to make the hemp fibers soft,  and until recently nobody was willing to spend the time and money on a fiber that many people wouldn&#039;t consider buying because they equated  it with rope.  (By the way, hemp fibers soften and become more lustrous as they age, so old hemp fabrics are often very soft with a wonderful hand).   Add to that the fact that you can&#039;t even grow hemp in the United States, so research was spent on our best cash crop - cotton.  And none of the mills in the U.S. could spin hemp, so it became the forgotten fiber.  
  
It&#039;s possible to find hemp fibers blended with other, softer fibers, such as cotton or viscose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of the research shows that it&#8217;s not a danger if antimony is in a fabric on our sofas, because the molecules are bound together chemically &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t become a free agent, as it were.  The real danger is to our environment,  thru release of the excess antimony in the mill effluent and again as antimony trioxide &#8211; which happens whenever the polymers are heated (as in polyester recycling, or during end of life burning at landfills).  Another consideration that we think if worth noting:  the literature is full of chemicals that the government and others told us were safe, only to be told further down the line that they weren&#8217;t.  Look at lead: in 1971, the U.S. Surgeon General said that 60 mg of lead in a deciliter of blood was a safe level.  In 1985 they reduced that to 25 mg, then in 1991 it was reduced to 10 mg and now we know that any detectable level of lead will shave off IQ points.  Antimony causes cancer in mice and they know that exposure is cumulative- do you want it in your home, even if it IS bound in the polymer?  What if they&#8217;re wrong?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to give a specific weight for a hemp fabric that would be durable &#8211; if it looks to you like a sturdy fabric and it has a certain heft, then you should be good to go.  If the fabric looks flimsy, or you can see thru it &#8211; then probably not.</p>
<p>Hemp has been given a bad rap because it IS a difficult fiber to work with.  It can also be very coarse and scratchy, as you say.  It takes an extra effort to make the hemp fibers soft,  and until recently nobody was willing to spend the time and money on a fiber that many people wouldn&#8217;t consider buying because they equated  it with rope.  (By the way, hemp fibers soften and become more lustrous as they age, so old hemp fabrics are often very soft with a wonderful hand).   Add to that the fact that you can&#8217;t even grow hemp in the United States, so research was spent on our best cash crop &#8211; cotton.  And none of the mills in the U.S. could spin hemp, so it became the forgotten fiber.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to find hemp fibers blended with other, softer fibers, such as cotton or viscose.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does antimony releases itself once it is on your couches. I was so careful not to use flame retardants, change the pads to natural latex, and was told that the fabric was antimony free.

About hemp, so which weight would be durable for rug rats?  Why is some hemp you feel on sofas scatchy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does antimony releases itself once it is on your couches. I was so careful not to use flame retardants, change the pads to natural latex, and was told that the fabric was antimony free.</p>
<p>About hemp, so which weight would be durable for rug rats?  Why is some hemp you feel on sofas scatchy?</p>
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		<title>By: oecotextiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>oecotextiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy, I empathize with the part about your sofas taking a beating from kids.  I have 3 boys, and we’ve had assorted dogs, so I totally know what you’re looking for in durability.  Was the fabric construction on your sofa a sturdy one with a hefty weight?  In any event, I can sure understand why you wanted to go with durability.  For a bit of background:  cotton as a fiber is much softer and of shorter lengths than either hemp or linen.  Hemp is the most durable natural fiber, and researchers claim it has from 2 to 3x the tensile strength of cotton.  Cotton is also a very short fiber (coming from the flower), averaging 0.79 -1.30 inches in length.  Hemp’s average length is 8 inches, but can easily range up to 36” in length.  

Backing the cotton fabric will  help with durability.  There are several backings you could use, each involving tradeoffs:
•	A cotton knit backing (tradeoff: the cotton is probably not organic, and the adhesive used to glue the backing to the face should be nontoxic, and these are rare)
•	A polyester backing: (tradeoff: this renders both the polyester and the cotton  non-recyclable – really a moot point, but worth considering + issues surrounding use of plastics).  Some would say why do this to a natural fiber, but which is better: a polyester backing on a natural fiber fabric or a polyester fabric (using more polyester)?
I don’t know about the cost to you for the backings; they would certainly increase the cost of the fabric!

Regarding the antimony in your fabric – if the fabric was made from polyester (which has the least toxic profile of all the synthetics) then the chances of it having antimony were pretty high, since 90% of the PET produced worldwide uses antimony as a catalyst in the production of the PET.    

If they don’t use antimony as a catalyst they have to use something else, like Titanium.  Not very many companies are taking the time and effort to change their manufacturing cycles, nor can they.  It’s a huge investment to change the production process.  There are very few companies that DO offer antimony free polyester, like Victor Innovatex which produces EcoIntelligent polyester, or Teijin in Japan.  If I were buying a polyester I’d buy the antimony free polyester.  But please remember that the EcoIntelligent polyesters are NOT recycled polyesters – they’re virgin polyester.  So again you have to make a trade off – use the higher energy cost in producing the product, or have the toxins released into our ecosystem at some point during the product’s life.  That’s why I think we need to give people better choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy, I empathize with the part about your sofas taking a beating from kids.  I have 3 boys, and we’ve had assorted dogs, so I totally know what you’re looking for in durability.  Was the fabric construction on your sofa a sturdy one with a hefty weight?  In any event, I can sure understand why you wanted to go with durability.  For a bit of background:  cotton as a fiber is much softer and of shorter lengths than either hemp or linen.  Hemp is the most durable natural fiber, and researchers claim it has from 2 to 3x the tensile strength of cotton.  Cotton is also a very short fiber (coming from the flower), averaging 0.79 -1.30 inches in length.  Hemp’s average length is 8 inches, but can easily range up to 36” in length.  </p>
<p>Backing the cotton fabric will  help with durability.  There are several backings you could use, each involving tradeoffs:<br />
•	A cotton knit backing (tradeoff: the cotton is probably not organic, and the adhesive used to glue the backing to the face should be nontoxic, and these are rare)<br />
•	A polyester backing: (tradeoff: this renders both the polyester and the cotton  non-recyclable – really a moot point, but worth considering + issues surrounding use of plastics).  Some would say why do this to a natural fiber, but which is better: a polyester backing on a natural fiber fabric or a polyester fabric (using more polyester)?<br />
I don’t know about the cost to you for the backings; they would certainly increase the cost of the fabric!</p>
<p>Regarding the antimony in your fabric – if the fabric was made from polyester (which has the least toxic profile of all the synthetics) then the chances of it having antimony were pretty high, since 90% of the PET produced worldwide uses antimony as a catalyst in the production of the PET.    </p>
<p>If they don’t use antimony as a catalyst they have to use something else, like Titanium.  Not very many companies are taking the time and effort to change their manufacturing cycles, nor can they.  It’s a huge investment to change the production process.  There are very few companies that DO offer antimony free polyester, like Victor Innovatex which produces EcoIntelligent polyester, or Teijin in Japan.  If I were buying a polyester I’d buy the antimony free polyester.  But please remember that the EcoIntelligent polyesters are NOT recycled polyesters – they’re virgin polyester.  So again you have to make a trade off – use the higher energy cost in producing the product, or have the toxins released into our ecosystem at some point during the product’s life.  That’s why I think we need to give people better choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had 2 couches that were covered with a beautiful cotton print, which in five years with kids looked like it had seen much better days. Totally torn in many places.

 The cost to reupholster  and fabric is so expensive so I opted for a recycled poly fabric for duarability since I was so neverous about having to redo these couches again. I went with longevity. They told me no antimony was used in creating the fabric, but I am not sure they knew.  At the time, there was not an organic cotton out there that had enough rubs.  Would backing a cotton fabric helped with durability?  Would it be much more expensive?

 What are you thoughts on the Eco intelligent recycle polys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had 2 couches that were covered with a beautiful cotton print, which in five years with kids looked like it had seen much better days. Totally torn in many places.</p>
<p> The cost to reupholster  and fabric is so expensive so I opted for a recycled poly fabric for duarability since I was so neverous about having to redo these couches again. I went with longevity. They told me no antimony was used in creating the fabric, but I am not sure they knew.  At the time, there was not an organic cotton out there that had enough rubs.  Would backing a cotton fabric helped with durability?  Would it be much more expensive?</p>
<p> What are you thoughts on the Eco intelligent recycle polys?</p>
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